Episode 325: Management Leadership for Tomorrow

[00:00:14] Speaker A: Welcome to the Clearadmit MBA Admissions Podcast. I'm your host, Graham Richmond, and in this episode, we're going to learn about an organization that all of us at Clearadmit are big fans of management leadership for Tomorrow, also known as MLT. If you don't know about MLT, I'm going to steal a line from their website to help you understand their mission, since they've explained it far more eloquently than I probably could. So here we go. MLT equips and emboldens high achieving individuals from underrepresented communities black, Latinx, and Native American to realize their full potential to make a mark and make a difference. So, to take a close look at the work that MLT are doing and the programs they offer to MBA applicants, I've invited three guests onto the show. First up, we have Maura Clark, who is the director of MBA Programs Recruitment and Admissions at MLT, and she's going to be able to speak to the MLT origin story, as well as some of the details around the admissions help they provide to MBA applicants. So welcome to the show, Maura. [00:01:15] Speaker B: Thanks, Graham. Thanks for having me. [00:01:17] Speaker A: No, it's a pleasure. We're also fortunate to have two current MBA students or actually, I guess, a recent grad and a current student with us, and both of them have taken part in some of MLT's programming. So, first up we have America Perez Guien, and she is a recent grad of Columbia Business School who took part in MLT's MBA prep program. So welcome, america. [00:01:37] Speaker C: Thanks. It's so great to be here. Thanks for having me. [00:01:41] Speaker A: No, it's a pleasure. We also have David Harris, who's a current second year student at the Stanford Graduate School of Business and who took part in MLT's MBA prep program, as well as something called PD, which we'll learn a little bit more about shortly. Welcome, David. [00:01:55] Speaker D: Thanks, Graham. Really excited to be here. [00:01:57] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a pleasure. It's not every day that we gather such a great group of guests on the podcast, usually just me and a colleague. So I'm excited to dive into the questions that I have for you all. Let's start with Maura. So, maura, can you just tell me a little bit about how you ended up in your role at MLT and get into the organization's origin story and give us a sense as to how the programs for MBA prep work. Kind of the 30,000 foot level, as well as maybe if you know how many candidates have gone through some of these programs since MLT was founded back in 2002. [00:02:29] Speaker B: Awesome. Thanks, Graham. Yes, so you are correct. 2002, MLT was founded a little over two decades ago, and as you very eloquently opened us up with, MLT exists to advance racial equity. So I have benefited from being at MLT for almost two years. I like to be able to say, oh, no, I'm new. Whenever really challenging questions come up and say, I'm going to consult a more senior colleague. But now I don't feel as new anymore. But I came from Vanderbilt University, which is one of our 35 partner MBA programs. And so I had worked on the partner side, interacted with lots of fellows in the MBA admissions process, and then when they are enrolled as students, and always had thought very highly of the organization and was really excited to transition from a school to MLT a few years ago. But as you said, the organization was founded in 2002. Our CEO, his name is John Rice, and he was a Harvard MBA and began working on ideas for a nonprofit to address racial inequities. And the organization really was born out of that idea. When I think about MLT, I think it's best or easiest for me to describe it in kind of two components. So one side of the house is our coaching programs, MBA Prep, MBA Professional Development, which we call MBA PD. Those are some programs that I'll address today, and they fit into our coaching side, individualized coaching through application process, through job and internship search. And then the other side of MLT is advisory services. So that's where we're working directly with organizations through our Racial Equity at Work certifications, where organizations can really examine a big variety of issues, things like diversifying their talent pipeline, but also to work on internal practices to make sure that they're on a really strong path for dei. So, MBA Prep at a high level is a coaching program where we work with high achieving top talent who self identify as Black, African American, Latinx, Latin, Hispanic, Indigenous, or Native American candidates who are interested in pursuing an MBA. Our candidates also identify as U. S. Citizens, Permanent Residents, those with Temporary Protected Status, or DACA recipients. And we really are with them through their MBA exploration and admissions process all the way up until when they accept that offer and sign on the Doted line. And then another program is MBA Professional Development. And that's kind of the next step for incoming MBA students, and it assists with internship and job search. So, two great options that I'm sure I'll get into in the next little bit here. [00:05:31] Speaker A: Excellent. I really appreciate you providing that overview. Amandika, I want to turn to you and find out a little bit more about you. So tell us about yourself, how you decided to get an MBA, and also, if you could, where did MLT kind of come in to the process, and what made you decide to choose their MBA Prep offering? [00:05:50] Speaker C: Sure thing. So I was born in Awascalientes, Mexico, raised in Denver, Colorado, and have been out in New York City for the past seven years. I received my bachelor's from the University of Pennsylvania, and immediately after graduating in 2016, I joined consulting out here in New York. And after five years of consulting, I started reaching a pivotal point in my career where I started getting promotions. I was managing junior team members. And it just really felt like the right time to reflect about my career and consider what was next for me. A lot of people in consulting end up going to an MBA. It's a pretty direct path, but I really had to reflect. And if I had to narrow it down, there were two main reasons that I chose to pursue an MBA, and the first really was to gain foundational business skills. This is because I come from a social sciences background in undergrad, and I learned so much at Deloitte, but I still yearned for that more formal classroom training. And the second reason was to broaden my global perspective. I really wanted to engage with study abroad programs. And so I got to the point where I fiercely believed that an MBA was the next step in my career. But I felt lost. I felt like I did not have a community. I grew up being undocumented. I'm a first generation college graduate, and today I'm thankfully a docker recipient. But I had never met somebody like me who had been through this process, who had an MBA. And so I started speaking with people who were in my network at Deloitte. So people who had left to complete their MBA and returned to the firm. And I learned about MLT. And I quickly realized that this was a community that I needed to support my process to get to my MBA goal. And I actually considered pursuing my MBA one year earlier, but I had just missed the traditional MLT program application deadline. So I had two options. Like, I can either apply on my own or I delay my process a year so that I can apply with MLT support. And that's exactly what I ended up doing. I delayed my process a year and it all worked out in the end. I'm now a Proud Alum of Columbia Business School. [00:08:08] Speaker A: Yeah, it sounds like it really worked out. So, David, I would love to do the same with so, like, give us a short background, some details on how you decided to get an MBA and then yeah, what was your journey to MLT? Like, how did you discover MLT and choose to take part in what they no, absolutely, absolutely. [00:08:26] Speaker D: But once again, just really excited to be here. Love the podcast. I used to listen to Wiretaps on my commute. [00:08:31] Speaker A: Oh, wow. [00:08:32] Speaker D: You know, that kind of full circle moment. Absolutely. But David Harris here from Dallas, Texas. So go cowboys. Went to the United States Air Force Academy. Go Falcons. But then, you know, there I was, a major in business, and so that's kind of where I got the finance bug, but had to put that on hold for a little bit. I had a five year service commitment where I did three years in the Air Force doing nuclear cruise missile development, and then two years in the Space Force doing satellite software development, knew I really wanted to get into investing and so knew business school was the path to it. And I'll touch on that a little bit more. So Applied was fortunate enough to get into GSB and knew that was the best place to make that transition, but knew I needed to get some experience before hitting school. So pre MBA, I went to Blackstone and attacked Opportunities special situations, investing platform. So it was an incredible experience there. And then this past summer, I worked at Vista Equity Partners down in Austin, Texas, which where I would be returning next. Kind of, yeah. So it's been an incredible ride. Definitely not a linear progression by any means. But the NBA, to me, it was that connective tissue, it was that medium. Like, how do I transpose my military experience into business acumen? And the NBA was the best way to do that, the most efficient way to get there. MLT came into this process very early on. Actually, I think I knew about MLT before the whole NBA process. Like, in my a lot of my friends had done MLT that were in business school and a lot of mentors had pushed me towards MLT. So it was already ingrained in me that I was going to do MLT. Going into the It, I joined and exceeded all expectations. I've done three programs at this point, but the MBA prep was very key to my MBA application success in all facets, which I'm sure we'll touch on more. [00:10:29] Speaker A: Got it? Okay. Yeah. Excellent. So, again, it's great to have all three of you with us. I want to turn back to you. You know, I know that America and David pursued different program offerings. Well, they did some of the same, but then David also did the professional MBA professional development program too. So I just wondered maybe we could dive a little bit further into these programs and I guess for our listeners, helping them to understand the application process because you have to apply to join these programs. So could you sort of take us through any of the logistics or timing requirements on these and maybe, again, just explain what they entail? [00:11:04] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely, Graham. I'm just sitting over here, like, smiling ear to ear because I love hearing our fellows stories. So thank you, America and David, for sharing your background. And again, just thank you for being here. It makes my job much easier when you have this whole population of fellows and alumni that are like, what do you need me to do? Where do you need me to go? Okay, but we'll get back to focusing on our programs. So our MBA programs sit really kind of in the middle of MLT's portfolio of offers. I don't think I highlighted that earlier, but I want to make sure to because we have a very strong sense of paying it forward. My hope is that when individuals are listening to this podcast, that they're also mindful of who is in their circle or their extended community that might benefit from MLT programs. So we do start working with students in undergrad through our Turn Pro and Ascend programs. We have a very large program called Career Prep. And then also post MBA. We have programs to help with career advancement, with lateral recruiting. So that is just something I like to share. So that way people keep that top of mind. But MBA prep. So both David and America participated in MBA prep. MBA Prep has two tracks, a traditional track and an accelerated track. The thing that I'll highlight about the two tracks is that there is an MBA Prep program that's right for you. So we recruit at different times for these programs. And the reason that we do that is that people come to the decision to pursue an MBA at all different times in their professional journey. Sometimes the decision comes up rather quickly because they've had a change in their professional status. Some candidates, like David was mentioning, they know that MBA Prep is on the horizon as early as undergrad. The program that we are recruiting for right now is our MBA Prep traditional program. The next deadline is January 10. And the application, I always say it's kind of the lightest lift application that you'll be doing in the next few years. It is easier than applying to a school, or it's less pieces than applying to a school. But we are actively recruiting for that program, and it will kick off in March. So when we start in March, fellows will begin working with their coaches virtually. We have ten full time MBA Prep coaches that all come from admissions backgrounds at partner schools. So we talk about different elements of the program, and one of them is knowing the bar. And we can confidently say that our coaches, who have been on the other side of the desk interviewing candidates, reading applications, they really know how to guide their fellows through determining what schools might be the best fit for them. But even before those conversations happen, they're thinking a lot about personal clarity, about what are the personal and professional goals that their fellows have and how does this step in the MBA journey put them towards those goals. So we'll kick off in March. We have three in person seminars that occur in March, June and July. And at those seminars, we invite admissions officers from our partner schools to come meet the fellows. So there's a variety of ways that they interact through both more formal, structured events like speed networking through just grabbing breakfast or having a coffee break with admissions representatives. So lots of ways for the fellows to get to know the business schools. They're able to connect with alumni and current students while constantly having those interactions with their coach and their co fellows. We typically recruit about 350 to 375 fellows. So it's a really nice size class that really helps expand your network within the MBA space. [00:15:06] Speaker A: Got it. So I guess I want to ask now, both America and David about this process. So you mentioned Light Lift, so nothing like applying to actually get into Stanford or Columbia or something. But, America, can you share any insights that you have about the application process that Maura just described for MBA prep? And maybe, I don't know, any tips since it's pretty selective, right? I mean, it's not sort of a guarantee. So yeah, talk us through it, if you could. [00:15:33] Speaker C: Absolutely. I think for me, it really came down to when choosing between the two programs, that I just know that I'm not a strong standardized test taker, and I knew that I would need more time to focus on the GMAT test and more support there. And so the traditional program really aligned more with my journey because of that longer timeline and that additional testing support. But I will say Mara is spot on. Applying to MBA programs is an enormous time to when it comes to applying to MLT, it really speaks volumes if you can demonstrate in your application that you're taking this process seriously. And that means studying for the GMAT or GRE or whatever admissions exam you're focusing on and then taking an official exam. And I think another key component of your application that helped me in my MLT application process was to think through your short term and long term goals and what your drivers are, your why, and being able to not only think it through, but to articulate it to friends and family until you're able to find the right words to basically craft your story. That will help your MLT application immensely as well. [00:16:49] Speaker A: Okay. And David, anything that you want to add here? And also just any advice about how to make the most of the MBA Prep program once you're in? Actually, I started to feel a little jealous of, like, when Moore is describing these kind of in person events where you're connecting with admissions officers. I mean, what great exposure. And also more I didn't mention it earlier, but you're talking about former admissions representatives who are working as your coaches. I mean, it's really great. And I actually know some of these folks too, and they're great. But David yeah. Anything you want to add here or just advice about how to make the most of this program? [00:17:26] Speaker D: No, absolutely. America hit it right on the head. As far as the application process would add, one thing, just feel free to reach out to the alumni. Or two things, feel free to reach out to the alumni for this whole process. Like I said, this is a huge community that is very willing to help at any level, even in the application process, which I took advantage of. And then one thing I think a lot of people may miss out, feel free to reach out to the MLT coaches as well. They are very receptive to people reaching out about the application process, even about the MBA, the school application. So I think those are two great things to do as far as application. But then the broader MLT community is, like I said, it's just phenomenal. When I'm looking at internships, pre MBA in between 1st, 2nd year and then jobs. Post MBA MLT alumni are some of the first people I reach out to very easily the core group of my network. And then just giving and even during when I went through MLT, the MBA Prep program, it was during COVID and the community still persisted. We had zoom happy hours. The community was rallying behind the class that came before us. So it was incredible. And like I said, once it was safe to meet. We take an annual trip, I think it's every year now, where after everyone gets into school, all 350 plus people agree to go to some location before school starts. And that was incredible. We have annual trips at the national level and even last month we had a private equity based event with the MLT community here in the Bay. And it's just incredible at every walk of life that you could imagine and just willing to help at any level. [00:19:12] Speaker A: Yeah, that sounds yeah, the ability know you're already going into most of these MBA programs, whether it's Columbia or Stanford, are such great communities. But to have this parallel community too that you journey through the application process with sounds fantastic. I did want to ask you, David, I mean, we didn't speak much about it, but we did learn earlier that you took part in also the MBA PD, the professional development program, which I guess leads right into business school, maybe with respect to a pre MBA internship, or do you want to just comment on that? And is there an application process for that too that's separate from getting into the MBA Prep program? [00:19:50] Speaker D: Yeah, that's that second question first. Yes, it's a separate application process, but very similar. And I mean, you're a known quantity if you do the NBA prep, so you can use a lot of what you applied with there. But if mean, once again, it's not a huge lift sort of what Moore was saying. So that application process is very similar. But the PD program was definitely influential to me as Deborah. You know, she's the goat, just the mentorship that I got trying to make this huge pivot was incredible. I mean, she was available anytime pre interview. I'm like, hey, do you know this person? There's something that would be good to bring up. Or whether it was technical questions as far as finance related and understanding, like, hey, here's what you may be asked and here's how you walk through that. I think just that sort of support is phenomenal when you're going through especially not only the MBA application process but then looking for employment post MBA, I think just having that community once again just makes this process so much easier. [00:20:53] Speaker A: Yeah, that makes sense. So more, I want to turn to you and I think we've gotten some of this just from hearing now from David and America, but I wondered about it's clear that there's admissions, coaching and mentorship that's being offered, but also there's the sense of community and helping to forge that community, whether it's these annual trips or in person sessions, et cetera. But do you want to speak to that a little there? I presume there's somebody at MLT that's kind of responsible for forging all that community, right? [00:21:24] Speaker B: Yes, absolutely. Graham. Yeah, and I agree. I've been kind of jotting down some things that America and David said that really do speak to this sense of community. We have a fantastic alumni relations team. This sounds very cheesy, but I typically say in many of my sessions that MLP is for life. I mean, it is designed that way, that throughout your professional growth, there are programs and offerings to help support you where you are. But also the alumni experience. When America said, I think at the start of her conversation, she said, I didn't know anyone like me that had pursued an MBA. David was commenting on having this really big career shift, coming from a military background and wanting to break into finance. There's such power in connecting individuals, and that is so much of what we do through structured events. Again, as David was saying with the recent PE event in San Francisco, so we have structures in place to help current fellows, to help prospective candidates connect with each other and with alumni. But so much of it is organic, which is, again, awesome to see. I want to turn it over back to our students so that way they can give some reflections. America, is there anything you'd add about the community piece or the connections that you made through MLT? [00:22:44] Speaker C: Yeah, I'd love to, and I think you really phrased it phenomenally. MLT is just an extraordinary program. And that's not just because of the coaches and the essay review and the interview prep. I mean, there's so much support there, but really it's the community of candidates and alumni that the program brings together. And so throughout your MLT journey, it starts when you're going through the program. You're connecting with other candidates one on one and in group settings. So you're starting to build these individual connections. And then your cohort is also regionally based, so your coach will coach individuals that are regionally close to each other. And so then your group just starts engaging in activities outside of MLT. MLT is just a really big part of driving those relationships early on and then maintaining it throughout once you step into being an alumni. [00:23:40] Speaker A: So, America, did you go to any I mean, it sounds like there's an annual trip. I don't know if maybe COVID would have prevented something in person when you were going through it, but have you know, David mentioned a private equity event that he attended. I know there are these annual meetings. Have you gotten a chance to connect with a lot of these individuals in person? [00:23:59] Speaker C: Absolutely. And you're totally spot on. So I went through the MLT program in 2020, so it was peak pandemic times. So even though it was virtual, we would get together and have little happy hours on zoom, and it would be like 60 of us on a zoom. [00:24:16] Speaker A: Wow. [00:24:16] Speaker C: We would split up into little groups, and then eventually, once the nation resurfaced from pandemic, we started getting together in person. And so my year there was a trip to Cabo to celebrate once everyone already had their admissions offers and had decided on a school. And even today, like, at work, I meet mltrs and we have a standing monthly lunch together where we get together and we reconnect and catch up on life and our profession. And it's a really great community. [00:24:47] Speaker A: Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, that sounds amazing. I want to shift gears a little bit because I know folks tuning in obviously interested in learning about MLT, but they're also, I think, probably interested in your own journeys into these great business schools. So I wonder, David, could you tell us a little bit more about your journey to you know, the thing that always comes up with Stanford is their main essay question, which is, what matters most to you and why? People just really struggle sort of thinking that through. And it seems like such an open ended question. So any advice, any admissions advice you have when it comes to Stanford? And I'm guessing that the MLT folks that you worked with are probably pretty helpful too, having seen many a candidate go through this process. But any advice you have? [00:25:29] Speaker D: No. Absolutely. And once again, definitely got to give a shout out to Coach. Candace just working with me through the entire process. Could not have done it without her. But what matters most to you and why, I think, is generally about your outsized impact within any organization. I think what a lot of people get caught up in is I need some world beater story about what matters to me. I need to save a billion dollars, and I need to save 100 lives for it to be impactful. [00:26:00] Speaker A: Right. [00:26:00] Speaker D: But that's just not the case. It truly means what matters to you and why. If that's something very personal to you and you create an impact that way, I think that's a better story than trying to cook up something where you're a small piece of a big outcome. I think something that helps with this is I know they released, like, 50 essays of What Matters Most to you and Why. Then the HBS essay, I forgot the name of the publication, but I was reading through those when I was going through the process and just seeing the range of stories was, I think, very helpful for me. I think that's a very good exercise to engage in and just knowing that was very helpful. And of course, bouncing all my ideas off my MLT coach helped a lot. [00:26:50] Speaker A: Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. And we talk a lot on the podcast. Know, the need to take almost like a personal inventory and come up with different stories that have shaped your life and then think about what fits together with respect to this essay. America, I'm going to put you on the spot too. I'd just love to know, how did you choose CBS and did you get a chance to experience the new campus that they've opened and just any kind of advice you have for people who are targeting Columbia? [00:27:15] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. I want to start by saying David and I are speaking a lot about our successes. And for as many successes that we had, there were definitely failures along the way. I, of course, was admitted to Columbia, ended up there, but I was also rejected from other schools. And so if you're about to embark on this journey or you're going through it, just keep going. It does work out in the end. So in the end, I ended up choosing Columbia because I really had to take a step back. I was between Columbia and Harvard, and a lot of people were really weighing in on my decision, like, this is the right decision for you. And I reflected so much. I took up way too much of my MLT coach's time, shout out to Coach James Frick, but really enabled me to reflect on what is it that matters to me in this moment in life and what do I want this next chapter of my life to look like? And so it sounds so cliche, but I did choose CBS because of the people. The people just aligned to my lifestyle, to my drive. And when I was choosing an MBA program too, the country was resurfacing from the pandemic lockdowns. And so it was really important for me to stay in New York City for the energy, the lifestyle, access to in semester internships, and just more professional networking in the city. But the biggest reason of all that I chose CBS was because CBS offered me the opportunity to study abroad for a full semester. And so they helped me navigate the challenges that came with being a DACA recipient and requesting permission from the US government to leave and return with a special permit. And it was the first time that I had left the country since I was five years old. So almost 25 years later, this was just a huge milestone for my personal development. And so I found my spot in CBS. And for anyone looking to apply, I highly recommend connect with the Hispanic Business Association, the Black. Business Student Association for one on one chats or programming. They can help you with application reviews, interview prep, and also take the time to go visit the new campus, which I certainly got to experience. It's beautiful. It has all the latest tech and amenities and it's just a really awesome space to bring together communities. [00:29:34] Speaker A: Yeah, I was on campus not too long ago to get a tour of the new space and was blown away. So yeah, absolutely. What an I think, you know, just hearing from both of you about your path into these great business schools is really inspiring. I was going to say I wanted to kind of go back to David and just ask a question about you're now in business school, so you're obviously busy, but it sounds like from what you're saying earlier, you still feel very much a part of the MLT community. And I wondered, how do you see that evolving as you move out into the workforce? I mean, you mentioned you're going to be going down to, I think you said Texas, right? Post MBA. And so is there like a network down there of folks? Like, how is that going to absolutely. [00:30:16] Speaker D: Just to be clear, I will stay as evolved as MLT allows me to. Just out the gate. It's not hard to stay involved, I'll put it that way. A lot of my best friends are MLT alumni, will be in each other's weddings. And so just from that perspective, I'll always stay connected to the MLT community. But as far as more intentional involvement, I run a mentorship program and with that program, MLT is 100% mandatory. And as you move along through our program and so it's just things like that. Vista is an MLT corporate partner, so I'll be involved in that way as then, you know, whatever then. Exactly. And then as you know, forward in my career, MLT has the Career Advancement Program and so I will look forward to doing that and any way I can stay involved in will, you know, try to moving forward. [00:31:12] Speaker A: Got it. America, how about you? How are you staying active currently now that you're a graduate of business school? [00:31:17] Speaker C: Quite similar to David? There's just so many ways to stay involved and it's really wonderful. And that's what helps build the MLT community. So a couple of ways that I intentionally stay involved is I sign up to help prepare Mlters, prepare for interviews at Columbia. I went through the process, I get a sense of what the questions will be like and so I'm able to really support candidates that are offered interviews by helping them prepare for those. Another way is I just stay in touch with Coach James Frick, and when my schedule allows, he does an annual trip up to New York to do a writing session with his Cohort. And so when my schedule allows, I'll join them to help with writing sessions or to join for dinner. But I think ultimately, whether you're very intentionally involved or not, you just are involved because of the friendships that you develop through MLT. And it's people that were in my cohort, but also people that I continue to meet now as they reach out, as they're starting the program, and we remain close friends. So, MLT, I sound like a broken record, but it really is such a special community, and I'm really grateful that I get to continue to be a part of it. [00:32:29] Speaker A: Yeah, it sounds like it. I mean, gosh. Maura, any final words of advice, particularly, like, for our listeners who are hoping to learn more about MLT programs? And yeah, you mentioned there's a deadline to apply for MBA Prep. Anything else you wanted to share here? [00:32:44] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. What I'll highlight is, as Graham just mentioned, we are recruiting right now for the MBA Prep class of 2025. So that means if your timeline, as you look at the next year coming up here, if you want to begin your MBA in fall 2025, check out MBA Prep now. The next application deadline is January 10. If your timeline is a little bit sooner than that and you see yourself beginning an MBA in the fall. So that's fall 2024. We are recruiting for MBA Professional Development. So that is a program that's going to assist with pre MBA internships, the kind of proper MBA internship in between first and second year. Great support there. All of the coaches for MBA PD come from industry, so not only are they trained coaches, but they have the employment experience as well. So there is a program for you at MLT if you're not sure. I really hope to hear from you. We'd love to have you reach out to us if you're on our website. We have so many virtual events coming. We just did a session last night with our test prep coach. It's a first session called Optimizing your test prep. It's part one of a three part series. We have lots of other events. I'm doing an event in the next week or so with current fellows, current MBA Prep fellows, and we are kicking off with our PD recruiting. So there's so many ways to engage and plug in. And what I'll just close with is, as you heard from America and David, this process of pursuing an MBA can be overwhelming. There are lots of decisions. There will be people that have lots of opinions about what you should do. But if you are looking for a community of peers and leaders that you can join to help guide you and also where you can bring your gifts and make your impact, please reach out to us. Don't sit alone and go through this process when there is a community that is here that wants to help you. So I really hope that I hear from some interested candidates and I'm able to take the conversation further thanks so much, Graham. [00:35:00] Speaker A: Yeah, no, it's been a pleasure. And I will say that I think that's where our missions really intersect is this idea of, like, no one should go through this process alone and really it needs to be demystified. So, in any event, that's going to do it for this episode of the Clear Admit MBA Admissions podcast. My sincere thanks to Maura America and David for taking the time to shed light on all the amazing work that MLT is doing. You can learn more, by the way, by just going to Mlt.org, so please do that. Check out all their offerings. Again, Maura America, David, thank you so much for making time to do this. [00:35:32] Speaker B: Thanks so much, Graham. [00:35:33] Speaker D: Thank you, Graham. [00:35:34] Speaker C: Thank you. [00:35:35] Speaker A: So that's going to do it, guys. 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